Matthew 1

Matthew 1:17 asserts: So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Well, let’s count ’em up.

1. Abraham -> Isaac

2. Isaac -> Jacob

3. Jacob -> Judah

4. Judah -> Perez

5. Perez ->Ezrom

6. Ezrom -> Aram

7. Aram -> Amminadab

8. Amminadab -> Nohshon

9. Nohshon -> Salmon

10. Salmon -> Boaz

11. Boaz -> Obed

12. OBed -> Jesse

13. Jesse -> David

That’s thirteen, but Matthew was counting from Abraham to David, inclusively. Fair enough. We’ll append David to the list:

14. David ->Solomon

Now we have a list of fourteen kings of Judah and/or Israel:

15. Solomon -> Rehoboam

16. Rehoboam -> Abijam

17. Abijam -> Asa

18. Asa ->Jehoshaphat

19. Jehoshaphat -> Jehoram

20. Jehoram ->

Ahaziah (omitted)

Jehoash (omitted)

Amaziah (omitted)

Amaziah -> Uzziah

21. Uzziah -> Jotham

22. Jotham -> Ahaz

23. Ahaz -> Hezekiah

24. Hezekiah -> Manasseh

25. Manasseh -> Amon

26. Amon -> Josiah

27. Josiah ->

Jehoiakim (omitted)

Jehoiakim-> Jeconiah

28. Jeconiah -> Shealtiel

That works out great. We know we’re on the right track with Matthew’s numbering system, because we get fourteen kings. As to why Matthew deleted references to four of these kings, nobody knows. I suppose he wanted to get exactly fourteen generations in each period.

So now we are come to the homestretch:

29. Shealtiel -> Zarubbabel

30. Zarubbabel -> Abiud

31. Abiud -> Eliakim

32. Eliakim -> Azor

33. Azor -> Zadok

34. Zadok -> Achim

35. Achim -> Eliud

36. Eliud -> Eleazar

37. Eleazar -> Matthan

38. Matthan -> Jacob

39. Jacob -> Joseph

40. Joseph -> Jesus

41. Jesus

We only get thirteen generations. But Matthew says it’s three sets of fourteen generations.  And he was a tax collector!

Now Matthew said from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, and from David to the captivity are fourteen generations, so when biblical inerrantists assemble this genealogy they list David at the bottom of the first list and again at the top of the second list, but if they do that they only get to Josiah in the second list, and the captivity was not during his reign. And to be consistent, they would need to put Josiah at the top of the third list just like David was at the top of the second list, but then you get fifteen generations in the third list.

And the whole exercise is moot anyway because Jesus isn’t even really the son of Joseph! At least not genetically. He is asserted to be the product of a union between Mary and the Holy Spirit. But Joseph, following instructions in a dream, wed Mary, And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

The Catholic tradition developed the idea that sex was a necessary evil intended only to create more Catholics. They read that back into the text and teach that Mary remained a virgin her entire life. If that was true, then Matthew would have written it thus:

And knew her not, even after she had brought forth her only son…

When you say, “And watched television not till she had completed her homework” that only means your daughter’s TV time was delayed by her homework. When you say a boy is your “firstborn son” that means you have more. In Jesus’ case, he has four little brothers, named James, Joses, Simon, and Judas. “James the Just”, in fact, became the leader of the Christian Church in Jerusalem. He was not one of the twelve Apostles, but in many ways, as bishop of the Mother Church, he was the real first Pope.

I certainly do. It’s naming your imaginary friend “Jesus”.

And to top it all off, the prophecy in Isaiah cited by Matthew in 1:23 as predicting his virgin birth said his name would be Immanuel, not Jesus.

The Devil attacks people’s minds immediately after powerful spiritual events. It was right after Jesus’ baptism that He was carried into the wilderness and tempted by the Devil (Matthew 4:1-11)

The next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples (John 1:35-39)

On the second day after the baptism Jesus went to Galilee to pick two more disciples (John 1:43-51)

On the third day after the baptism Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (John 2:1-11)

Remember… The Holy Spirit is Invisible, but Ever Present!

On the contrary, it is said (Mt. 3:16) that, when our Lord was baptized, the Holy Ghost descended upon Him in the shape of a dove.

Matthew 5:16 KJV
“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.”

Also Matthew (6:1): Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Trinity isn’t polytheism and Christians actually believe it’s the only possible form of monotheism: Read Aquinas’ relevant parts of Summa Theologica

The Father alone knows the Day of the LORD (Mark 13:32). Blaspheming the Father and the Son is forgivable but blaspheming the Holy Ghost is not (Matt 12:31). The Son must honor his human mother to avoid breaking one of the Ten Commandments, but the Father and Holy Ghost do not.

God has bound all in disobedience, that He may show mercy to ALL -Rom 11:32

Just as a result of one trespass was the condemnation of all men so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for ALL MEN- Rom 5:18

Love never fails- 1 Çor 13:8

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. Joel 2:32

Matthew 7:21 – Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7

On the contrary, it is written (Matthew 12:31): Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

The “brothers” of our lord in Mt 13:55 and Gl 1, 18-19 are actually the cousins of our blessed lord since James the Greater is the son of Zebedee, brother of Saint John; therefore, this is not the brother of Jesus.

The Greek word used to show the relation of Yeshua (Jesus) to Yakob (James), Yosef Jr. (Josy), Shimon (Simon) and Yudah (Jude) is adelphoi, which means “of the same womb”. They could be his half-brothers, but all of them had Miriam for their momma.


And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them, And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon. And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way…

*How can we know that John the Baptist was a prophet? He literally only prophesied of the coming of Jesus, that’s it. And yet, Jesus called him the “greatest” of prophets?

Well, at least John was a better prophet than Jesus:

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28)

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WindowsGuy: “The abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel in 9:26, that Christ referred to in Matt. 24:15 was the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD by Titus.”

LinuxGal: Daniel 9:26 “…and the end thereof shall be with a flood…” I don’t remember a flood in the Jewish War.

The ones “He gave.” Judas wasn’t one He gave. You will understand this when you see on heavenly things and not one earthly things. His kingdom is not of this world. Judas was “drawn to Him.” Judas was “drawn” by wealth.

Wasn’t “drawn” to Him but drawn to the idea of Israel overthrowing the Roman Empire and becoming a leader.

Jesus to the whole set of twelve disciples:

“That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Matthew 19:28)

So your theory doesn’t work.

For those whose spirit has been made alive through Christ, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Body returns to earth, spirit goes to God.

If you have to be absent from the body to be present with the Lord, so much for his claim in Matthew 28:20, “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.”

“Moses, Christ, and the Philosophers teach the same thing, differing only in the way they teach, namely as worthy of belief [Moses], as probable or likely [Aristotle], and as truth [Christ].” – Meister Eckhart, In Ioh. 185

Christ’s “truth”: (Mark 2:26) “How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?”

Ahimelech was high priest at the time (1 Sam 21:1-3)

1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.”

ME: Bless me, Father, for I have blasphemed the Holy Ghost.

FATHER BRYAN: Sorry, Jesus can’t help you with that one.

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation

He seemed like he broke a few laws tho? Maybe, i cant remember.

Mark 7:19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

Christians say he had the authority to set the Code of Moshe aside because he was God. Jews say nope.

Jesus is omniscient. He didn’t ask questions because He was curious about anything.

On the contrary, it is written (MARK 8:5): “And he asked them, How many loaves have ye? And they said, Seven.”

I believe this is also why Jesus curses the fig tree before entering the city of Jerusalem— a clear sign of his overcoming of death

“Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.” — Jesus Christ, Mark 8:12

Mark : 9 : 25 – When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.

Deaf and dumb spirit: “What?”

Everyone else: “What?”

But the bible says no one is perfect including me. Only Jesus Christ is perfect

But to be perfect you have to be good, and Jesus said only God is good.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

“Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury. Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulcer, wherein was never man yet laid. There laid they Jesus” – John 19:40

Also Bible (Mark 16:1) And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Turns out he was already risen.

For every Bible verse there is an equal and opposite Bible verse.

Because each gospel was written for a different audience and emphasized events that were of interest to that audience

Mark 16:7 “But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee…”

(For Team Galilee)

Luke 24:34 (Still in Jerusalem): “The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon…”

(For Team Jerusalem)

Then there’s Team America (the Mormons)…

The 2 disciples on road to Emmaus did not recognize the risen Lord.

No doubt because the young man at the tomb said to Mary and the other women, (Mark 16:7) “But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee.” So nobody was expecting Jesus to be seen within sixty furlongs (7.5 miles, Luke 24:13) of Jerusalem .

Saint John of Damascus was of the opinion that Joachim was the same person as Heli, mentioned as the father of Joseph in Luke’s ancestry of Jesus.

Why not do it at the other end, too, and say Solomon (Matthew 1:6) is the same son of David as Nathan (Luke 3:31) ?

The translation was “girl.” Changed to virgin to make it more mystical when in reality they’re all worshiping a child rapist. Likely 12-14 years old. Now … don’t for a second believe it happened, but this is who they worship. The kind of people they are.

Angel to Mary: “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee.” (Luke 1:35)

Angel to Joseph: “Thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.”  (Matthew 1:20)

Mary and Joe didn’t talk I take it.

Joseph & Mary fled Judea to Egypt with baby Jesus. Jesus was raised in Egypt until he appears later in the Bible at the age of 12. Being inquisitive & open-minded, Jesus would’ve played with Egyptian kids & learned about their religion & tales.

Also Bible (Luke 2:21-40) they presented baby Jesus at the temple in Jerusalem according to the law of Moses and then returned to Nazareth in Galilee, with no mention of going to Egypt.

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
Luke 4:5 KJV

The Earth was flat in those days. This was before Eru Iluvatar, the One, bent Arda into a ball and set the Undying Lands at the end of the Straight Road which only elven ships setting out from the Gray Havens could sail.


Luke 7:34 – The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

Boy is that full of hatred toward Trump. How about this
1 John 3:15 “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”

On the contrary, it is written (Luke 14:26): If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

“If Jesus is the Son of God, his teachings are more than just good ideas from a wise teacher; they are divine insights on which I can confidently build my life.” ~ Lee Strobel

“So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.” — Jesus (Luke 14:33)

Knock yourself out.

John 3:13
[13]And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

I’m pretty sure Abraham and at least poor man was in heaven before that. Jesus said so.

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom…

The main character of God’s kingdom is to drive out demons.If you have a character that is not holy then you need to set it apart.Casting out evil spirits is one of the signs that God brought in, and if you have not driven out demons then the kingdom of God has not come upon you.

On the contrary, it is written (Luke 17:20) Now He was questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, and He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs that can be observed…”

I agree there wasn’t a global flood. Noah’s ark is a parable, not literal history

Jesus (who is omnipotent) said the end times would be like Noah’s times until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came and destroyed the world (Luke 17:27). Unless you want to say Jesus doubled down on the parable. But that means all warnings of the end times are parables.

With respect to faith in the Triune God, I don’t believe we have free will. I believe we (Adam and Eve) had free will in the Garden, but now, I believe we are dependent on God alone for faith and salvation.

God the Son thinks faith does not have a divine source, otherwise he would not have inquired thus:

Luke 18:8 …When the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

The Bible says that the steps of a good man or woman are ordered by the Lord.

Also Bible (Luke 18:19): And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Jesus objected to being called good because only God is good. Thus he denied being God. I don’t know how it can be more clear than that.

Greg Locke is worldly preacher. The Bible says to distance ourselves from it (2 Corinthians 6:17).

On the contrary, it is written (Luke 19:13) – And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

God told his followers to kill babies. Jesus seemed pretty non violent (minus the business men in the temple). They seem pretty different.

“The personal claims of Jesus and the espoused implications of his life, death, and resurrection stand in distinct contrast to other religions. This is what Christians through the years have called the gospel—which literally means “good news.”
―Joel Lindsey

“But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” — Jesus, Luke 19:27

Such very, very good news!

WindowsGuy: “Christians can expect persecution. Luke 21:16 – ‘But you will be betrayed even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death.'”

LinuxGal: “Except their hair. Their hair will be just fine. Luke 21:18 – ‘But there shall not an hair of your head perish.'”

There is no forgiveness without repentance.

Jesus asked God to forgive the people who were executing him while he was being executed. They didn’t confess or repent. Be like Jesus.

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

As clear as day, John 20:17 says; “Jesus said unto her, “Touch Me not, for I am not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say unto them, ‘I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’” KJ21 (21st century king James version). All vereions.

Also Jesus (as clear as day to the thief on the cross next to him): “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:43)

Near the cross were Jesus’ mother & his mother’s sister, Mary & Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother standing there beside John, he said to her, “Dear woman, here is your son.” And he said to John, “Here is your mother.” And from then on this disciple took her into his home.

Also Bible (Luke 23:49): And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.

Variations in the gospels are not contradictions. You have failed to make an argument the gospels contradict themselves. When a detective asks questions during an investigation, its only when the stories align too well that they detect lies. Feel free to try again.

How many angels were at the tomb is small potatoes. I zero in on the big stuff:

Mark 16:7 “But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee…”

Luke 24:34 (Still in Jerusalem): “The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon…”

Are you aware that Elijah came to the earth as John The Baptist at the birth of Christ?

In Malachi 4:4-6 Elijah must come again before the dreadful day of The Lord.

John 1:21 (NIV): They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”

Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Messiah, the Son of the living God.
Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Andrew (Peter’s flesh and blood): “He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.” (John 1:41)

who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; 1 Peter 2:22 –


Jesus: “You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival because my time has not yet fully come.”

After his brothers had left for the festival he went also, not publicly, but in secret. (John 7:8-10 NIV)

…a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. (John 8:44, NASB)

God said the day Eve ate the fruit she would die. The devil said she would, rather, become aware of moral principles. Eve ate the fruit and she did not die on that day, but, rather became aware of moral principles. Yet today we are told the DEVIL is the father of lies.

Now the health of the body is ordained to the good of the soul.

John 9:

[2] And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

[3] Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

The Bible and church history record disciples being kept safe in such instances. But it is not a blanket promise that we can never be killed by a snake bite.

I see. So it must be like how in John 14:14 when Jesus said, ” If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it” it was not a blanket promise either. In fact, I don’t think it was ever kept, once, in the whole history of the world since Christ’s execution.

He “needed” them in order to fulfill the scriptures AND because He was truly man. Paul says explicitly that Jesus was equal to God in Phillipians 2.

On the contrary, it is written (John 14:28): “The Father is greater than I am.”

Jesus would tell you about the Kingdom of God and how you will enter and how you will not- “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Also Jesus (John 16:33): “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace…”

“This happened so that the words he had spoken would be fulfilled: “I have not lost one of those you gave me.”
John 18:9 NIV

So in John 17:12 when he said, “none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled” did that fulfillment back out the fulfillment claimed in John 18:9 that was tied to Jesus losing none?

There are some who complain that @Pontifex doesn’t teach with clarity and is confusing. But look at Jesus. People wanted him to teach with clarity, but instead he taught in parables. Whoever has ears ought to hear

On the contrary, it is written (John 18:20): Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

It was at the third hour He was crucified; and it was for three hours (from the 6th to the 9th) that darkness shrouded the Divine Sufferer and Redeemer.

On the contrary, it is written (John 19:14-15): And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him…

Konrad we are the Temple and Christ, Yeshua Ben Yoseph, ascended to the Father, carrying His own blood sacrifice, for you & meto God, Why do you think He said to Mary, touch me not, for I haven’t yet ascended My Father ?

Because she’s a girl and therefore had cooties. Jesus let Thomas touch him:

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Why? Because the author calls himself “the beloved disciple” instead of “its me John, its I who Jesus spoke to”?

The author of the gospel of John cannot be the beloved disciple because (John 21:24) “This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true” and also (John 5:31) “If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.”